Are you going through something really painful right now? Are you wondering, “Why, Jesus? Why didn’t you intervene?” There are two sisters named Mary and Martha, in our story today, who are asking that very question after the death of their brother, Lazarus. As we discuss the plot twists found in this True Story of Lazarus from John 11:38-44 and12:10-11, I think you’re going to notice that Jesus loved these sisters, and Jesus knew how their story was going to turn out. What if this was true about you, as well? 

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Guest: Mary Kassian

Bible Passage: John 11:38-44 and12:10-11 

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Mary Kassian

Mary A. Kassian is an award-winning author and Bible teacher who speaks to women around the world about living out their faith and especially what it means to be a woman according to God’s design. She has published several books and Bible studies including The Right Kind of Confident, The Right Kind of Strong, Girls Gone Wise in a World Gone Wild and Conversation Peace. Mary and her family reside in Canada.

Here’s what I wrote about Mary’s book, The Right Kind of Confident:

“With her trademark clarity and biblical wisdom, Mary brilliantly pulls back deceit’s curtain and reveals how fragile and self-destructive our self-confidence truly is, then she trains us to see our fears as God’s invitations to draw near and sink our roots more deeply into him.”

Our conversation has some strong ties to the content of this book, and if you enjoy this conversation with Mary (I know you will) you’re going to want to pick up a copy of this book, The Right Kind of Confidence

The True Story of Lazarus:

In our conversation about the True Story of Lazarus, found in John 11-12,  here are some of the things Mary and I talked about:

  • What are the Jews (who have come to mourn with Mary) saying about Jesus?
  • What is astonishing about Jesus in this story?
  • What comfort can we find in Jesus’s response to Mary?
  • Why did Jesus not come sooner, when Lazarus was sick?
  • Why did Jesus ask them to move the stone? What was behind this request?
  • Is there a correlation between believing and seeing God move?
  • Why did Jesus offer this public prayer, before performing this miracle?
  • What is the astonishing reaction to this miracle? How are the Jews divided?
  • How is Lazarus seen as a threat?
  • How does this event become a lightning rod for the political unrest which leads to Jesus’s crucifixion?
  • What (according to church history) becomes of Lazarus?
  • How can we live like this story is true?

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We’ll be back on Saturday for the retelling episode, where I get to focus on some of the story elements of this Bible text, then retell the story, and invite you to do the same.

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  • False Narrative Watchlist
  • “Awakening to the False Narratives”
  • Four Reasons Journaling Prompt
  • Storytelling Content Podcast Directory

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