Bible Passage: Rahab Hides the Spies – Joshua 2:8-14 ESV

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Shannon Popkin (00:01)
All right, so round two, here we go.

back to Live Like It’s True.

Shadia Hrichi (00:06)
Oh, thank you for having me back.

Shannon Popkin (00:08)
Yeah, such a joy. So this is such a great story about rehab that we’re in the middle of. And you are a passionate Bible teacher, an author, a speaker. You live in Northern California. Yes, Northern? Yes, Northern California. And you love to talk about Jesus and you yourself, like you were telling us last time, you kind of felt like an outsider to church people. And you…

Shadia Hrichi (00:22)
Yes.

Shannon Popkin (00:36)
were part of God’s rescue mission yourself. Tell us once again about that little group of Christians that you didn’t realize you were among believers. And give us maybe, was there a certain experience you had with them that felt like, oh my goodness, I feel like I am an outsider looking in?

Shadia Hrichi (00:57)
Well, I think, you know, so this was like a home Bible study group and it was led by a pastor of a small church, him and his wife. And the group, I know, great question, because it wasn’t even my idea. So I was, at the time I was still married and my former husband was raised Catholic. So he actually was raised to believe in God. I wasn’t, but he had no faith or no real religion background. But one day a friend invited him and I,

Shannon Popkin (01:06)
How did you get invited to that?

Shadia Hrichi (01:27)
but him directly to come to this Bible study. And so he comes home and he’s like, we’re going to go to this Bible study. I’m like, a what? Like I didn’t even know what that meant. Honestly, as an adult, I was I knew what a Sunday school was for kids. That’s all I knew. I knew nothing, you know. I’m going to a Bible study. And part of me was like, I met you in a bar. Like we were making all the mistakes. Like you want to go to a Bible study? So I was like, whatever. So we go to this Bible study. And what struck me was, you know,

Shannon Popkin (01:34)
Huh.

Sure, yeah.

Shadia Hrichi (01:55)
I mean, I definitely felt like an outsider. I mean, we just looked, I don’t know, we came in with our, we had biker jackets. We weren’t really bikers, but that’s just, you know, like we had a motorcycle, we had a bike. I don’t know, we just looked funny, we talked funny, and you know, we had New York accents still. I don’t know, we just felt like in all the different aspects, we felt like we didn’t fit in. And certainly we were not Christians, you know? And as they were, you know, just reading from the Bible and teaching things, I was just like, you really believe this stuff?

I mean, that’s how foreign it was to me. And so I felt like an outsider in that regard, but I also felt very welcomed, very friendly. I enjoyed being there. But I think what struck me was, I think I shared about this a little bit in the first message, that their faith was sincere. It wasn’t based on, I could tell that it wasn’t like, oh, this is what they grew up to believe, this is what they were told to believe.

You know, it’s just religion. Like I could tell there was something more to it, but I didn’t understand it, you know, until God opened my eyes and His grace.

Shannon Popkin (02:58)
and you wanted to stick around. Not everyone wants to stick around. I think that’s intriguing about how God draws some, right?

Shadia Hrichi (03:06)
Well, I’m kind of a black and white person. And so when they were telling me what they believed, and it was pretty much the opposite of what I believed, I’m thinking to myself, okay, these are intelligent people, these are nice people, I respected them. And I thought, one of us is wrong. Either I’m wrong, you know, or they’re wrong. I mean, that’s, and so I had to wrestle with that. I didn’t want to, I couldn’t just ignore it, you know? And so that’s when God, you know.

Shannon Popkin (03:30)
Hmm.

Shadia Hrichi (03:36)
piled me a bunch of books. I went to a Christian bookstore one time and they just piled me up. I think they were thinking in the back of their minds, like, oh, we got a live one. We got a live one in here.

Shannon Popkin (03:43)
Oh, I got a live one, I love it. Well, and that’s actually refreshing. I think in today’s day and age, we meet more people saying my truth, your truth, it doesn’t matter what you believe in. But you’re saying you came at it from like, one of us is wrong, one of us is right, one of us is wrong. And here on this podcast, we wanna look at what is the true story and how can we live like it’s true. But first we have to embrace the truth. We have to figure out what the truth is.

And can you just give us an example of that black and white? Like what did you think one of us is wrong about?

Shadia Hrichi (04:19)
Well, just that there was a God to begin with. I didn’t believe. I wasn’t, I never called myself an atheist because I thought, and if there’s any atheist living, I’m sorry if this sounds offensive, I don’t necessarily mean to be, but in my mind I thought that’s claiming to know everything. To say, I know there is no God is claiming to know everything there is to know in the universe. And so I knew.

Shannon Popkin (04:24)
Oh, okay.

Shadia Hrichi (04:47)
I wasn’t an atheist, but I was an agnostic. I had no basis for believing there was a God. And so their conviction that there was a God, and then on top of that there’s like, oh, we believe in demons and angels and all these, and I’m like, to me that’s like little elves and fairy tales. That can’t be real, you know? But there was this aspect of this loving God.

Shannon Popkin (05:02)
Right.

Shadia Hrichi (05:12)
who steps into humanity, who cares about people, that I was like, could that really be real? It felt like a fairy tale to me at first, but being that kind of black and white person I am, I had to walk through the different layers of beliefs. One very easy example was evolution. In the school systems, that’s what they teach. They teach it as fact, you’re not encouraged to question it. And…

I read this book, I’m a reader by the way, I’m just a voracious reader. But one of the books that I read during this time was called Darwin on Trial. I barely got through I think the first chapter where I was so angry at the educational system that I grew up in. All the way through my first masters, no one ever challenged these beliefs. Reading one chapter in this book, I was like, this makes no sense at all. And…

So that was just kind of like one of those black and whites, like this makes no sense to me. And so then, now I’m faced with, well, what’s real? What’s true? Where did the world come from? Where did we come from?

Shannon Popkin (06:23)
Yeah.

actually begins with an openness. We often think of faith as being closed to lies, closed to the wrong ideas, but faith is actually an openness to the truth. And we have a deceiver who does not want us to be open to the truth. He wants…

Shadia Hrichi (06:46)
He wants us to stay in blindness and darkness. Yeah.

Shannon Popkin (06:50)
And that’s what we see in the city of Jericho. Like they are all blind to the true God. They’re blind to their creator.

Shadia Hrichi (07:03)
They’re in rebellion for sure because there’s this aspect of God gives each one of us a glimpse of light. But the Bible says that there are many who love the darkness so they don’t turn to the light. It really comes down to the heart. We’re blind until the light is shined.

But we can choose to turn away from that light. We don’t have to walk into it. We can choose to stay in our darkness for sure.

Shannon Popkin (07:38)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I mean, we have other stories in the Bible where the whole city of Nineveh turns to God. They’re confronted and they do turn. And that’s just not gonna be the reality in Jericho. However, there’s one. There is one in this city like we talked about. And so let me just kinda catch us up in the conversation where we have this woman living in Jericho and there are these two spies who have infiltrated her city.

Shadia Hrichi (07:47)
Yeah.

Yes!

Shannon Popkin (08:08)
Everybody knows their spies. Obviously they’re, I don’t know, their, their costume or whatever they’ve dressed in. They’re not, they’re not pulling it off. Maybe it’s their accents. Who knows? But, um, they are found out. They come into her home. She hides them up on the roof under this flax. Uh, I guess it’s this long reeds, you know, some sort of plant that she’s drying there to create, to make linen from. So she’s got them up on the roof of her house.

And these spies come and she tells the spies like, no, I don’t know where they are. You know, you’ll have to go, you gotta go catch them. And misleads the, I’m sorry, did I say the spies? The Kingsmen who are seeking the spies. And so let’s pick up the story. This is Joshua two and let’s just read verses eight through nine. Would you read that for us Shadia?

Shadia Hrichi (09:02)
Yes, so it says, before the men lay down, so this would be the two spies on the roof, she comes up to them on the roof and says to the men, I know that the Lord has given you the land and the fear of you has fallen upon us and that all the inhabitants of the land melt away before you.

And it says, we have heard how the Lord dried up the water of the Red Sea before you when you came out of Egypt. And we also heard what you did to the two kings of the Amorites who are beyond the Jordan to Sihon and Og, whom you devoted to destruction. And as soon as we heard it, our hearts melted and there was no spirit left in any man because of you.

For the Lord your God, he is God in heaven and the heavens above and on the earth beneath. Now then, please swear to me by the Lord that as I have dealt kindly with you, you also will deal kindly with my Father’s house. And give me a sure sign that you will save alive my Father and Mother, my brother and sisters, and all who belong to them, deliver our lives from death. And the men said to her, our life for yours, even to death, if you do not tell this business of ours. Then when the Lord gives us the land, we will deal kindly and faithfully with you.

Shannon Popkin (10:04)
Okay, so we’ve got this conversation between the prostitute who is aiding and abetting the enemy and these two spies who are godly men. You know, like you said, they’ve been handpicked by Joshua and she reveals something to them that they’re gonna take back to Joshua. What’s this thing that she reveals?

Shadia Hrichi (10:10)
haha

You know, there’s a number of things. I mean, the main thing that they do take back to Joshua is the fact that the entire city, everyone in the city is terrified. They do recognize the God of Israel and his power, and they are terrified of him, but refuse to turn to him. And so she’s going to give them that information. So militarily, it doesn’t provide…

much information, but spiritually it says a lot.

Shannon Popkin (11:00)
Well, I think it does make a difference to know that your enemies are terrified of you, right? I think that is the news that Joshua is gonna wanna spread through the camps. Like, let’s go, they’re terrified and we’re gonna take advantage. They’re like, the fear of you, Israel, has fallen upon us, Jericho, and all the inhabitants in the land of Jericho. We melt away before you. So she knows that her people,

are afraid. And then she recalls these two instances, stories that she’s heard about God and about this city of Israel. The first one we know is the story of the Red Sea. We’ve heard the story of how the water dried up, the Red Sea, as you came out of Egypt. What’s this other story about the two kings of Amorites?

Shadia Hrichi (11:53)
Yeah, so, you know, prior to this point, Joshua and the people are, you know, advancing towards the promised land and they’re surrounded by these various kingdoms that are all, you know, evil kingdoms and God is giving them victory over them and they are, you know, large. So this would be like during the time of Moses as well. There are these kingdoms and that are described as, you know, greater and mightier.

than the Israelite army. And so the fact that they would have victory over them would again prove that it was their God giving them because they can’t do it on their own. And so these are both basically miracles. God parting the Red Sea is obviously a miracle, but this victory over these other kingdoms less obvious until you read Deuteronomy chapter, I think it’s four and five where,

They’re talking about that God delivers his people from kingdoms that are greater and mightier than they were. So this is an act of God.

Shannon Popkin (12:58)
these two stories though together, we have a story of God delivering his people. In the Exodus, we see that the angel of death passes over and all of the homes that do not have the blood on their doors, all of their sons die, but he delivers the people of Israel through this because their sons live and Pharaoh’s furious, he comes after them and they escape through the Red Sea. It’s this story, really the base,

The base story is a story of deliverance, but in the second story, there’s no survivors. This is a story of destruction. They’re devoted to destruction. And I’m just thinking like, why is it important for an outsider like Rahab looking in on the people of God? Why is it important that she know both a story of deliverance and a story of destruction? Like I think in our day and age,

We tend to focus on one or the other. I think every generation chooses one or the other, that God is a God of destruction and judgment, or God is a God of mercy and deliverance. Why is it important that we have both? In our day and age, I mean, I think you’d probably agree. We tend to focus on the mercy and the deliverance. We don’t like to talk about the destruction and the judgment. Why though is it important that we have one and the other, not one without the other?

Shadia Hrichi (14:14)
I think that’s a great question. Part of it, it comes down to we need to keep in mind who God is and the entire, a healthy, balanced view of who God is because He can be both just and merciful at the same time. There’s no conflict in His mind because He is… Yes, amen, we certainly are.

Shannon Popkin (14:35)
Well, we’re gonna see that in Rahab’s story. Yeah. Mm -hmm.

Shadia Hrichi (14:40)
But none of this has really changed. Like you pointed out, we tend to focus on different aspects, but if we look at the bigger picture of what’s happening, he has not changed. Like for example, in the Old Testament, we tend to think that God is the God of judgment and destruction, and we have this like King David, and he committed sin and he committed murder, but God lets him off. And then in the New Testament, we think it’s just all grace and mercy, and then we read the story and acts of…

you know, Ananias and his wife and they, you know, are struck dead just for lying, you know. God hasn’t changed. He’s both merciful and just. And I think for Rahab, you know, and for all of us, to be honest, we need to have a healthy fear of God. We should have a healthy fear of God, but not a fear that turns us away because if we know who He is as also loving and merciful,

patient. Oh my goodness, his patience. He was patient with Egypt. He gave them 10 plagues over the course of many, many, many months to recognize who he was. The Pharaoh just refused again and again and again. He’s very, very patient. To have this healthy balance. Rahab is banking on his… He saved his people. She’s turning to him.

Shannon Popkin (15:50)
Yeah.

hardened, yeah.

Shadia Hrichi (16:06)
you know, is he going to accept me, you know, as part of his people? And the fact that she hides the spies, you know, is her outward, literally laying her life on the altar, in a sense. She is laying her life down because she is at risk.

Shannon Popkin (16:19)
Yeah.

So, and what she says to them is basically, I know that your God is a God of deliverance and a God of destruction. And I want in on the deliverance part, you know? I know that he does this and I want in on that. And so, I mean, the fact that she believes both, I think that’s really important. And I think as an outsider, if you’re on the outside, if a listener is on the outside,

Shadia Hrichi (16:34)
Yes, yes, yes.

Yeah.

Shannon Popkin (16:48)
looking in, I was just having a conversation with someone over chat and Instagram and talking to her about, she’s so mad because God is a God of judgment and destruction. And she just like, how could she possibly surrender to a God like that? A God who lets bad things happen to good people. And, you know, I mean, that’s a myth. There are no good people, right? We’ve all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, but she’s so angry and she just, she can’t surrender to a God like that.

And so I, you know, I just said, look, there are two options, whether you, you either do surrender to him or you don’t, but either way he is still a God of destruction and a God of deliverance. And so whether or not you choose to recognize that he wants to deliver you or not, like you, like he remains the same. It’s, you are the one who can, it gets to choose one or the other. And I talked about the story of Noah’s flood. I’m like,

There are eight people who survived that eight. That’s it. Everyone else sank to the bottom of the sea. And the only reason that these eight rose above, like they rose in a boat of God’s mercy. It’s because they believed God’s for his word. And so really that’s the question here. And I just love that that Rahab is taking God at his word. He is believing. I think today I just.

I think we’re really soft. We love to sugarcoat. We love to, and I love the fact, Shadia, that you early on, you had enough intellectual integrity to say, there’s something out there that I don’t, I mean, I’m not arrogant enough to say that I understand all of the universe, right? And so I have enough faith to believe that there are things that I don’t understand.

And I’m going to accept this little by little gradually, accept this God as his word. And that’s what we see in Rahab story. What else do you have to add to that?

Shadia Hrichi (18:48)
Oh gosh, I mean there’s so much going on in this story. You know, Rahab’s faith would really rival the faith of the Israelites at that moment in time. We talked in our first session about how they were, you know, where they were camped and what was going on at that time. And here Rahab is saying to the men, I know that the Lord has given you the land. And she’s not, this is not a like, oh I know the Lord has given you a land.

The original text is saying this was a conviction. This was in other words, she’s saying it’s yours. It’s not going to happen. It’s like as far as if we were talking outside of time, it’s done. Signed, sealed, delivered. That’s her manner of wording. And then you have the Israelites back at the camp. They’re turning to idols and demons and whatnot. And so just right there we see this incredible conviction on her heart.

Shannon Popkin (19:28)
Yeah.

conviction.

Shadia Hrichi (19:45)
of who God is and his plan cannot be thwarted. He’s going to give them the land. And that’s just the first sentence. There’s just so much going on here. And it goes on to say, the fear of all of you has fallen upon us. So all the people of the city understood who the Lord was, but they just refused. Just refused.

Shannon Popkin (19:57)
Yeah.

a man who lived in England, and we can link to that. Darren and Joy Stevens lived as servants of the Lord in England, and they served youth. And I remember him telling about an assembly where he preached the gospel to a group of young people. And he said he was so astonished that afterward, they…

Yeah, they believed that Jesus died on the cross and that he rose again. They just didn’t see what, how that could change their life. They didn’t see what that had to do with them. They didn’t really, they believed it in a sense that, yeah, they, they, they had no problem with it. And yet they were complacent, I guess is the word they were complacent. They just didn’t see why having God in their lives would make any difference.

Shadia Hrichi (21:05)
Yeah, it sounds like they’re coming at it from, you know, how is God going to bless me today perspective versus I’m a sinner in need of a savior. Until you, until a person truly recognizes they are in need of salvation, that they have offended a holy God, Jesus does has, yeah, yeah, they’re.

Shannon Popkin (21:22)
Well, or until they, and that there’s a judgment coming, that there’s, I mean, if you remove judgment from the storyline, then I think that complacency does kind of spread among us, right? And that’s this culture of, you know, Britain and Europe, this is coming our way. Like we’re headed in that direction. I’ve heard studies say like in about 10 to 15 years, we will have,

like Christianity will be a thing of the past here in America. And so I think like, how are we going to respond to that? What stories are we going to tell about God? Are we going to be people who are willing to talk about God’s judgment? You know, it’s uncomfortable. Nobody likes to.

Shadia Hrichi (22:09)
And you know, Jesus talked about it all the time. I mean, what does salvation mean if you’re not being saved from something? You know, it means nothing. And until a person recognizes they need to be saved from the judgment that’s coming, that they themselves deserved, each one of us deserves, you know, the gospel will not have any appeal.

Shannon Popkin (22:15)
Exactly. What are you saved from? Yeah.

It’s true. And so I just want to like, because I know some of our listeners are newer to the Bible. So I just want to put the timeframe in mind. This story of rehab we’re talking about is in the Old Testament, which is all of the time leading up to Jesus. And Shadia, you and I are referencing back to Jesus, which comes in the New Testament before we lived. Jesus lived and he died in our place. So all of the Old Testament, you know, all of God’s people forming their

Basically, what we said in the last episode is the way that this nation is going to bless all of the other nations of the earth is their nation is going to produce Jesus, God’s son. He will be born though into their family, into their nation and as an Israelite and yet he will save the whole world. And so this deliverance is possible for not just the Jewish nation, but for all of us. And we see that in Rahab’s story.

from the beginning. I mean, this is an unusual story. This is like, why in the world we said last in our last episode, why in the world would God pause the story? We’re right on the cusp of his people are going to enter the promised land. This is amazing. And we’re going to stop and talk about a prostitute for, you like this, this makes no sense. And yet this is God’s heart. His heart is for the outsider and he wants to deliver. And I just love how in the story of the Exodus, you know, we’ve got,

Shadia Hrichi (23:41)
Right?

Yes.

Yes.

Shannon Popkin (23:58)
this angel of death who’s passing over. So in other words, judgment is coming and the ones that had the blood on the door, God passed over. Rahab wanted this. She wanted this deliverance. And so, you know, God’s power was coming. God’s destruction was coming. And there were people, you know, there were doors of Egypt where people were sleeping behind those doors and they had no protection from God’s judgment.

Just like in the walls of Jericho, there was no protection coming from God’s judgment. God’s judgment was coming, whether they admitted it or not, whether they believed it or not, it was coming. It’s the same for us today. God’s judgment is coming. And yet there were people in the Exodus who were behind doors covered with blood, and they were safe. And here’s this woman, and she’s gonna have this scarlet cord hanging out of her window, you know? And judgment is coming, but she is safe. And…

and we have a way to be safe too. And that’s our Jesus, it’s his blood. That’s what keeps us safe from God’s judgment. Go ahead.

Shadia Hrichi (24:56)
Amen.

Amen. There’s a… Absolutely, you’re absolutely right. And there is this element of, as you just pointed out, there is a door of safety that God appoints for every one of these judgments. One door. So in the Israelites, as you mentioned, during the Passover, they would put of the blood and the angel of death would pass over those doors. But they were told…

not just to put the blood on the door, but to be behind the door. You couldn’t be in front of the door, you couldn’t be out on the street, you had to be behind that door. That was their safety and the blood was the sign. In Noah, the story of Noah, it says that God shut them in. He closed the door. There was a door of safety to the ark and those were the only ones that entered. The other people could have, they chose not to. And in the story of Rahab and Jericho, it’s no different. When she is, later on in this chapter, when she…

She’s told to put the garlic cord in the window as a sign, but it also says very specifically that your family and yourselves and all who basically are looking for this refuge in God must be behind the door. They have to be behind the door of Rahab’s house. So her door in her house is protected and that’s the one place of refuge in that city. So God always points a door. And then as you pointed out, Jesus said in the New Testament, I am the door. He…

Shannon Popkin (26:22)
Isn’t that good? He’s the door. And, and.

Shadia Hrichi (26:22)
is the door. Yeah, that’s what all of those stories are pointing to is Jesus.

Shannon Popkin (26:28)
So how can we live like the story is true?

Jesus just said, believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved. Like this is the way to be behind, yes, everyone, everyone. That’s all she did.

Shadia Hrichi (26:33)
Amen. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord. Yes, yes, yes. And that was Rahab. That’s all she did. She acknowledged who God was and she took refuge in Him. And that’s ultimately all of it. Yes.

Shannon Popkin (26:46)
She believed, she believed, but, but I also am calling back attention to James who says that her faith had works to accompany it, you know? So yeah. So I think for those on the outside looking in, if, if you want to live like this story is true, come in, believe in the Lord Jesus, be saved, be on the other side of that door. He says, I am the door. He wants you to find your way to refuge. And for those of us,

Shadia Hrichi (26:53)
Yes, yes, it’s a demonstration. Absolutely. Yeah, yeah.

Shannon Popkin (27:16)
who are on the inside. Think of the Israelites. How can we live like this is true? That God thought it was worth it to go in, to send two spies in to rescue this one woman and her family. How can we live like that’s true, Shadia?

Shadia Hrichi (27:34)
there is this beautiful picture of, He receives everyone that turns to Him. Everyone that calls on the name of the Lord. And that’s kind of all she did. She didn’t know a lot. She just understood His power and took action.

took action. She’s like, I’m going to be on the side of him. I want to be on his side. It’s a choice, you know.

Shannon Popkin (28:00)
Yeah, yes, exactly. I just want to be a woman who invites others to the inside, right? Even those who seem unlikely, like this is a prostitute, this is a foreigner, this is someone who’s not part of their people. And yet, I think she married someone, you know, she becomes part of the line of Christ. So she is rescued from Jericho, Jericho falls, she’s the only one rescued in her family. And she is marries a prince, right?

Shadia Hrichi (28:21)
Yes.

Prince of Judah. Yes, yes.

Shannon Popkin (28:30)
Yes. And so she, she is mentioned in the line of Christ. She becomes an insider of insiders, insiders in Matthew. She’s one of four women listed in the genealogy of Jesus. So she’s a very important person in redemptive history. And, and I just always want to have a mindset and an eye for the outsider who might be one of the most integral parts of what God is doing in my day and age. This is why, like I mentioned, I was having an Instagram,

Shadia Hrichi (28:37)
Yes.

Shannon Popkin (29:00)
conversation and I never want to be the type who’s like, well, you’re clearly on the outside. You know, I just think God can save anyone. And so I embrace some of these conversations where people clearly are not coming with friendly thoughts and motives toward me. But I just, I want, I want to have those sorts of conversations. I want to be open because I think that God goes after, he thinks,

Shadia Hrichi (29:09)
Absolutely.

Shannon Popkin (29:23)
A woman like Rahab is worth it. She’s still practicing prostitution. She does not have her life cleaned up yet. And God thinks she is worthy of rescuing. Yeah.

Shadia Hrichi (29:32)
He recognizes the heart. He really, really does. And even on what might look like insiders, like in the New Testament, the story of Paul. Here he is, he’s a Pharisee, he’s a religious teacher, he’s all of that. And he has to be converted too. And God sees the heart. And as long as there is still breath, there is always hope.

Shannon Popkin (29:47)
He’s an outsider. Yep. Yep. He’s an outsider. Yep.

So I just wrap up. Man, I just want to hold on to both are true. Our God is a God of destruction, but he’s also a deliverer. And I mean, to live like it’s true means to believe in and act as though judgment is coming. And yet not for those who are hiding behind that door, not for those who are in Christ, not for those who have entered in.

Shadia Hrichi (30:23)
Yeah, we, you know, we’re not hiding as believers, we’re not hiding from God. We’re hiding in God. That judgment is coming, but we are hiding in God, in Christ. And that’s how we are shielded because He is the door. Again, that door of safety. Yeah. Oh.

Shannon Popkin (30:31)
Yeah, exactly. In God, yeah.

Well, thank you so much for sharing with us today. Shadi, it was a blessing.

Shadia Hrichi (30:48)
Oh, thank you. It was a blessing on me. I just appreciate our conversation and just the beautiful truth sharing them with you. So thank you for having me.

Shannon Popkin (30:58)
My pleasure.